About 4 or 5 years ago, I naively bought a pair of Loake Shoemakers and the quality was very poor. Many thanks in advance, If you want something that very versatile, I wouldnt go with burgundy. Thank you for this listing Simon. ), but perhaps that wouldnt be entirely appropriate. Anyone that gets these Carmina shoes for their wardrobe would be getting some of the best style statements of their lives. So for example, they now only curve the waist line on the inside of their shoe, and not the outside. Carmina Rain Oxford - 9.5 UK. Please take a look. Loake 024 last (F-Fit): 7UK a bit tight around toes and heel. I have, however, experienced considerably worse service at some of the establishments of allegedly higher grade companies, whose products I could easily afford, but whose customer service proved to be a very effective deterrent. This helped me understand why sizing as 10D was actually very bad advice and never worked out well. Depends on the shoe store whether they stock them though. Although the quality is nothing to write home about, they are incredibly comfortable. Thats is some very useful information Jesper, thank you! Youre better off looking at the tannery the leather came from and if it had a recognizable leather name (cxl for example) but even within that there are gradations on the product from the same tannery. Quoddy maliseets in lined suede: 11D, fits amazingly. I'm also guessing that either 9 or 9.5 in their new wide sizes would work well. JF main line would definitely be in Spain 1. Its a comparable quality level, at a slightly lower price, and uses leather-board heel stiffeners. Morjas definitely makes decent shoes, even though I wouldnt recommend buying any pair with leather soles, as these are the worst soles Ive ever encountered. Also it seems that Carmina outlet in Granada used to sell Meermin shoes a few years back. Not sure why this is the case. Way too narrow and painful all around, last too tapered for my taste. These are all a pretty similar level of make, though you lose a little in the raw-material quality among the cheaper ones, such as Septieme Largeur." The 5th toe of my right foot has always been mildly adducted and overlapping the 4th toe. **Renav has inconsistent sizing it turns out. Trickers 4497s: 8.5 is a little too short, while 9 feels too big in most pairs. Parkhurst 602 Last 9D: Fit well off the bat, little to no break-in. Thanks EL. I cant comment as to what anything is like higher up the scale but they are both the best looking and most comfortable shoes I own (more than my hiking boots or running shoes). Indeed, stylistically they are even quite close. Do you know what thats down to? Now use your measurement and select the size based on your foot's length (see size chart below). Are there other difference? From time to time you find great deals for +/- USD 600. Red Wing 23 9D: decent fit. Thus, not likely to be much different from your C&J in terms of make, but the last and the leather may differ. Some of it is differences in leather and lined vs unlined, but a lot of it is lasting differences. Comfortable out of the box and have continued to be excellent. Carmina shoes are well-fitting shoes that grip your feet firmly on the go so that you get more balance and stability in your motions. Theres a lot of marketing in this entry-level market: everyone says their shoes are handcrafted, using the best materials.. The arch is prominent, not as much as the White's Archease. I acknowledge I am emotionally attached to AE, it was the first quality brand I could access. Why spend 400 retail when you can get a great pair of shoes for half that? With that said, the number of good bespoke shoemakers that will make sure to both deliver good fitting and very well-made shoes is still very high in the world. 9.5D heel to toe. Perhaps if I lived in Spain I would got to a Carmina store to gauge their quality and service. Very nice article. You are of course free to think that theres better sources than Shoegazing. I recommend .5 down and just accepting that it is a wide pattern. Initially uncomfortably tight across the vamp in shell and with moderate heal slip. 4 3 3 comments Best Add a Comment hjordan28141 2 yr. ago I think it makes sense for C&J to stick to making shoes and not running shops. I realise this may seem like a simple choice, and maybe thats exactly what youll say, but Im only 25 years old and money is definitely a consideration. I have to say from personal experience I found Berwick to be the most incredible value. This is particularly true in the shoe market, given there are few designer brands spending big budgets on marketing and advertising. They can be found on many websites for less than 300( e.g. Thursday Captain 9D: Felt too tight on the instep brand new. Of course choice is more limited, and its more pot luck, but who doesnt love a bargain? I ultimately gave up on mine. Allen Edmonds Sizing to Carmina & Meermin Those that have Allen Edmonds and carmina or meermins, what size do you wear in AE compared to the others? I think either would be fine. Also, I dont think youve ever written about painted patina on shoes . Will it be in Spain 1 or Spain 2 in your list? Well Id imagine the aim is to make more money, given that some will know the Cleverley name and want to buy into it. The quality of the leather is identical. Carmina shoes are more fashionable and elegant than the Meermin shoes. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Low instep fits me perfectly. Common Projects Achilles and Bball: 43 are some of my best fitting shoes, especially the Bballs that have a little more toe room. I have a pair of MacNeil long wings made in 1977, two years before I was born, that I acquired used and had resoled. I guess I was wondering whether the differences in finer shoes were of this sort, especially because you have said before that you find your Aldens to be among your most comfortable shoes (but maybe that was more about lack of structure than anything else). The fact is that Cheaney have one flagship store and the vast bulk of their business is on line whilst JL are paying for expensive locations and staff explains all at the end of the day its not so complicated. Very few English RTW offer much in the way of narrow lasts. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, This is an example of what a good comment looks like. Hi Simon, you mentioned at the top that Carmina doesnt use plastic heel stiffener. Theres so many men who more or less only buy bespoke tailoring, and who can spend enormous amount of money on watches etc. And they are a Canadian brand not American. Bored of counting likes on social networks? Looking to buy (a much much cheaper alternative to aldens ) the Berwick plain toe derbyhttps://britishshoecompany.co.uk/collections/berwick-1707/products/berwick-mens-derby-leather-lace-up-shoes-5768-k6. However, they are less fashionable than Carmina shoes because of the quality of their finishing. My Yanko boots I enjoy in the winter months here in New Zealand (about now). Id highly recommend it for more detail all of these brands, particularly on the technical side. Meermins are not bad fits though; these shoes are flexible and stretchable enough to blend with your feet measurements accurately once you get the right sizing. Wide midfoot, but a touch low instep which translates to average volume, just squashed a bit down. Looking forward to this. He was told they had changed, as you see seem to have observed as well. Meermin Hiro 8.5E UK: Good fit overall, snug around the ball without being tight and toes are less cramped than I expected with how the last looks. Chunky, comfortable, and with nice make but the suede itself is nothing special, certainly worse than Crownhill in the same price range. However, when I visited meermin pop up in London, I dont think I would ever get a black box calf from them! Definitely wish Viberg made more boots on this last. Note: I have pretty weird feet, slim waist, slim heels, slightly high instep, and low volume. Thats the opposite advice I received on rain from someone else. Well start with three Swedish ones, all making in Spain or Portugal. Viberg 2030: 10 - Good fit. Vass, TLB Artista, even Meccariello. European lasts just dont fit well as they have heels that are way too big. Not a big difference though. Total:1,176 (members:154, guests:1,022), Preorders, Group Made-to-order, trunk shows, and o. I spoke to folks at Carmina and got somewhat mixed opinions, the wrench in the equation being size variances on the lasts for both unlined and shell materials. Its a good time to be a consumer in this area.. Yes literally hard as rock but very nice looking in their box.. Agree Alan, buyer beware that they are extremely hard to break in. Take your size in any standard UK shoe (Cheaney, crockett, loake, alfred Sargent, churchs) and add half a size. Switching to thin socks gives a very relaxed fit. Second is a Loake 1880 snuff suede apron derby boot. Because of the great leather material of the Carminas, youll get yourself a pair of shoes that are bound to stand you out in the positive way.CARMINA LEATHER, Meermins, on the other hand, are made with premium leather materials ranging from hybrid calfskin leather materials to even Shell Cordovan leather.MEERMIN LEATHER. I dont think either has changed in their quality, no. Im an Alden fanboy with the exception of longwings. Other than more subjective things like style, it's fair to say this is the most consistent difference between English and Spanish shoes. Shoe makes are easier than almost anything to compare in this respect, because you get something more at each level. I agree they provide an excellent service and are great ambassadors for the brand, which is why I think it is clever of them as a company not to be involved in the complexity of rents, leases, employees etc. Plain black Oxfords from Churchs who are near the rail station. The shoe soles of the Carminas are truly some of the best in the market today. I am just wondering if there is anything else I am missing. Job done. I have a pair of Chelsea boots by Sanders, bought at John Rushtons. * **Thomas George Popes** 7.5UK quite snug, grips heel well but pinches the toes a bit. Theyre the only pair from this collection that I got out of the box and went wow. The shoe comes on Meermin's Ama last, which is of a classic and elegant shape. **The older 2040s are tighter, because of the older style of heel pad, if you find it too tight I recommend considering swapping out the heel pads. Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. Im thinking of trying something different and the George Cleverley Ready to Wear line has a whole cut I particularly like the look of. Both these shoemakers offer value far and a way above a UK shoe at a similar price point so they really are worth a look for a person prepared to put in the effort. 65 last 10D: Bad fit. Crockett & Jones (bench grade): I own the Alex (wholecut on 348 last). But their attempt to branch out has caused them to lose their focus. As a simple example, in the UK the price of Consul, a black calf, toe-cap Oxford will increase from the current price of 495 to 720. TLB also has a new line called Artista*, which is a higher level of quality than any in this article. That may change in the future though, with the higher-end ones like Miyagi Kogyo trying to make it abroad. They wear down quickly.. Interesting ! Bespoke obviously solves this but I dont care enough about the other elements you get and pay for with bespoke, or perhaps I just think 2k+ is too much and I suspect (hope?) A very useful piece for me as Im slowly getting into the joys of proper shoes. Truman P-79 9D: Good fit, was snug the first day with boot socks and now comfortable with boot socks. Cheers Adam, and very pleased thats the case. But the insoles are very comfortable and have molded to my feet nicely. I wonder brands you may recommend for a person with a deeper broader foot like mine. I have owned shoes from most of the English brands, and 5-10 Spanish brands and 5-10 Italian brands, and its a quite clear difference (but again, there are exceptions in both directions. But they belong in a different category, a quality level down., France, Germany, Italy: Loding, Orbans, Velasca, Shoepassion. The quality of the leather on my particular pair isnt as good as the Loake 1880 (or any of the other brands) but overall these are a well constructed pair of shoes. Unstructured toe box feels a touch low, * **Yanko 955** 7.5UK fits snug but comfortable with thin socks to start. Arch support was a bit painful the first wear but feels great after a few hours. Its a narrow last with a very high instep. A bit surprised that you had the experience with Berluti, they have a pretty good reputation. Cnes also has great hand-welted shoes too, about 350 I believe, which look a lot more expensive.. 1 down the toe could be getting very short. 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