@Donna Is it possible that it is God Himself who is exposing these misdeeds? Harvest Bible Chapel's Elgin campus H arvest Bible Chapel has reached a multimillion-dollar agreement to transfer some of its assets to former pastor James MacDonald, who plans to continue in. You too felt you had to leave Harvest and what was your point of conviction on having to leave the Church ,that we all sacrificed so much for! You have every right to speak up; and I respect you for doing so. There is no question in my mind that what I did see and experience increasingly at Harvest was a culture that functioned and was sustained by fear and the desire to please James at any cost. 35The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. James could have easily prayed, [] There are a couple of other reads that came to my attention this evening related to Harvest Bible Chapel that I wanted to make people aware. Jesus taught eternal love. Often it was the leadership that lost track and influenced the group. God is using this to grow me as he does in all trials, so for that Im grateful. Sunday Service-10:15 AM/Wed. I attended Harvest Bible Chapel for over 8 years and served as the Womens Ministry Director at the Rolling Meadows campus for three of those years (thats the flagship original campus by the way). Thanks for writing it. Your two posts make no sense I hope you get some sense and realize people in Church are not infallible only Jesus! Because Jeff is still lying to peoples faces with a smug grin as recently as Saturday night. Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. The only thing I liked about that church was the worship, which was glorifying to the Lord. I think that was his recruitment tactic. Others have gone before you in challenging HBC to help pave the way and have paid the consequences for their courage. Sometimes they will require being nice. I saw the horrible video of the three Elders that were fired, It was autrocious! Most continue to stay there, as their numbers dwindle. He bullied his way into being paid multiple times for the work he was hired to so as the pastor, sermons and bible teaching. I have replied, I would have probably, as most have done, put my head in the sand and carried on doing the work God gave me to do. Pastor James MacDonald, of Harvest Bible Chapel, was given the boot last week by church elders after "highly inappropriate . He spoke highly of you, and since then, I have occasionally prayed for you regarding your time and experience at HBC. Ive tried to cover everything in prayer but I dont feel God right now. You take feed back to heart and you use it as growth points. Amen Sister! Each former leader that speaks out helps us heal and validates our experience. The evil at Harvest is a nasty stage four cancer yet has invaded the entire body. This included an abusive and fear-based culture where those who question leadership are punished, she writes. Im not sure what is going on with me honestly. Sheila, we are not called to be good, we are called to be HOLY! Witnesses say MacDonald was angry that the photo was still on display. I dont understand how anyone could watch that video and not immediately know that something was very, very wrong. it seems to me that people give more grace to the offender than the victim. While every major financial decision was supposed to be examined and approved by the churchs eldersand it was claimed that this was casethis was not actually happening. Is it perfect? Otherwise If you share your email address I will email you. Thanks Sheila. Harvest will also reimburse MacDonald another quarter-million dollars related to selling his former home and transfer compensation related to his retirement benefits. There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. I pray to our Father who loves us all that His truth and reconciliation and peace, healing abounds in this circumstance. He says he gave about $1K in these 6 months, and regrets it. Maybe you were called in front of the elders and asked to rewrite because thats horrendous theology and an awful way to be an ambassador for the Gospel. Gods heart, over and over again, is for those who are oppressed. This is also why as a follower of Christ it is so important to know and learn Gods word so you see when something isnt right. I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. We are the Church! Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. No shame here for Lina. Although, it definetly planted a seed for me. Do You Really Have to Go to Church Every Sunday? and stay glued to founded and genuine monetary purchase services. Publicizing viewpoints rejected by the elder majority for any reason is satanic to the core. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. Thank you Lina, So many of his followers would still want him as a preacher. My family attended a smaller Harvest church close to Elgin. Thank you. No one asked why I quit attending after 15 years. This Is a Revival Season Sean Feucht Announces 7 Days of Prayer on Capitol Hill, The Chosen, Candace Cameron Bure, Dolly Parton Win at This Years Movieguide Awards, Christian High School Girls Basketball Team Forfeits Tourney Spot Due to Trans Opponent, Tickets for SatanCon 2023, The Largest Satanic Gathering in History, Sell Out. It helps to be able to talk about it instead of feeling like you have to hide it, or just deal with it. He stood and told me and my husband he was naive to the Paxton Singer situation. Its who you are! However, James is not the same person he was when he began that church and if he was to continue leading it, he would hurt countless others. Even more, the trauma of having those who had taught me so much about Jesus and showed me the way to Jesus healing suddenly take the side of the person who caused me to fear for my life- its taken a long time to move forward. People need to be accountable for their actions. God bless. 3:48. After telling us that the elder board always made every decision by full consent, we learned that the former head of the elder board found out about major church initiatives from his seat in the congregation. I havent seen the video but abuse of power at any level is sickening!! I am now going to read the rest of your post. Dont damage the church by being publicly critical. Nellie, be very, very careful! I will only say that if it is right and important to address a culture of fear within the church, it is equally important to address the same for our country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjXhWUyGi0&list=PLud2nIxx0IAT58I8QPBdfrOz8bFMQQcd6&index=4&t=0s. But the truth needs to be out there. In fact, he is the one who is no longer pastoring. Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. According to Roys extensive research and interviews, changes didnt occur at Harvest; instead, questionable treatment and practices continued. We can be humans and love. Prayer works as we understand to be HIS humble servants. You are a fraud and a liar! For this, according to the Daily Herald, Secrest was fired. So Grace is only for MacDonald and no one else not the elders he excommunicated, not the numerous employees who were fired or kids who were expelled from HCA, not the pastor who was fired in FLORIDA and had his church taken away I would ask you SERIOUSLY??!! You also restrained and could have said much more and didnt. DONT defend these people in any way!! Attempts to reconcile the situation failed due to the pastor believing he had done nothing wrong. In a statement written by church elders, the Chicago-area megachurch says they fired MacDonald forengaging in conduct contrary and harmful to the best interests of the church., Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful discussion, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel had determined that Pastor MacDonald should be removed from his role of Senior Pastor. Hi Hurting in Davenport, Specifically, I do mean the Machiavellian rule by fear and division that we are seeing. OnFebruary 13, the elders announcedJames MacDonald had been fired. It was love at first sight!! She is sharing her heart and personal experience in an open, vulnerable way, in kindness and love. It is a really strange thing when persecution comes from the pastor and elders. Its by an unbeliever, but wow, is it eye-opening. So the Harvest Bible Chapel elders fired him, fired him from pastoring his own church, which of course was no longer his church to make decisions for, but theirs, as a wholly owned subsidiary. Id be interested in reading you blog on tattoos. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. However, 2 of the groups meet in Panera Bread. I never attended HBC except for the one time when we visited several years ago and had to sit out in the foyer as the music was blasted out too loud. 33Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. This cancer must be excised and as often as is the case in cancer treatment, months of treatment must be involved for health to take place. There are questions the leadership at every such megachurch should be asking. They made excuses for him. It describes participative worship thats all the music you need. She will be one of many many many many who come forward so if you dont like it, dont read. Worship With Us. In announcing MacDonalds termination, Harvest elders stated they are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful. James MacDonald and the leaders of HBC did that with their own hands, hearts, & minds. Nellie, please dont be taken in by putting people on a pedestal (very sad.) Be blessed dear Sister. Why now does not matter. Your sincere desire to move us further in our relationship with Jesus Christ. Fear can lead to many sins. These things happen in small churches too. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. Our family was kicked out of our church plant campus and everyone at the church was told not to talk to us because we were disobedient by speaking out against the things were were seeing. I have only read the first few paragraphs of your post and needed to stop there to send this reply. Data Coordination. Even before the 58-year-old pastors sabbatical, MacDonalds role at Harvest had shifted. I am thankful for JESUS that used Pastor James in my life. Pray for those of us who donate 10 percent of our income and would like to know where the money really goes. I miss that about you. While Harvest the pastor there for years had some good preaching. May Our Lord guide all of us and May His will be done above all else. I believe you spoke up now to show how far reaching the powerful words and actions of those in authority goes. Go to the all church meetings? Why if it wasnt really a real sinful mess would so many in leadership just exit and give up what was a big part of our lives and our kids lives? I pray shes wrong. Harvest numbers 13,000 attendees across seven locations, and the church began affiliating with the Southern Baptist Convention in 2015. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. It was so hard not to be bitter, and it took a long time to want to be part of another church and not be so cautious. There are people there I thought were my friend and as soon as my life takes a left turn and happens out of order (first came baby then came marriage and then another baby) I get ousted out and judged and hurt. Those who step out of line are often dismissed. Although I do not want to be a part of this church any more, I strongly feel that God is directing me to continue to obey his direction in this scripture and take their disobedience to another level. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. Thank you for sharing! I totally agree with you Patti. I believe you are mistaken. The bloggers began posting again, however, in 2017, around the same time that Harvest Bible Fellowship was dissolved in 2017, due in part to concerns by some some member churches about how Harvest was managing the fellowships finances. I am sure that was very hard for her to share . Perhaps my fear had its legitimate reasons. You wrote a blog about how an increase in tattoos was in some way related to a decline in holiness and you were a leader in the church? *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Even when you get away that fear doesnt leave just because you physically left. I kept seeing little hints of questionable goings-on at Harvest Bible Church, a large megachurch in suburban Chicago, but didnt really pay attention until last week, when the issue blew up in the most bizarre way. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . God loves his Church and we can trust hell do what is necessary to preserve it. All that leads to ia where we are, I led worship in a church for 5 years. I feel foolish for allowing myself to be misled for so long. Our enemy loves this. He better thank God for Grace and cause he is going to need it. Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. Now you can stop going to church altogether and free your mind from religious delusion. I know many people who attend Harvest or who have been impacted by MacDonalds preaching are crushed today. I left for the Truth of Orthodoxy! A year later, MacDonald apologized for the harsh discipline taken against the three men, adding that Harvest had meaningfully and mutually reconciled with them. 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Authority? Those are things we dont talk about often enough about. This should not be! Sports Betting Hits a New High: A Crisis in the Making? The practice of medicine is not an exact science; neither is navigating very tough and painful circumstances such as this. The word of God and the flock were only mentioned at the end of the long list. Updated 11/13/2020 7:31 PM. Im sorry that the doctrine that youve been taught says that life is about being kind and nice, rather than about being good. Lina I couldnt agree more with everything you said and your comment here. Be blessed. I left Harvest CL 3 yrs ago after being forced out of a ministry and other thingspart of the membership indoctrinationyou are not allowed to say anything disparaging against church leadership or the church. No one knows why. A new believer has lost faith because of the shameful behavior of HBC leadership and all you can say is question the new believers truthfulness of his account? 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