Find a way to live out the love of Christ. However, one thing Jesus never did was condone their sin. Maybe try and figure out where your love went. Im both cheered by this article while remaining concerned that we Christians (I dont call myself Evangelical anymore since Trump) arent very deep about our understanding of sexuality and many related topics. Id rather be wrong in affirming my friends who are LGBT than have to attend their funerals because they killed themselves due to the hateful type of rhetoric youve put out here. 2:24. I think this whole article is buffoonery. Im late to this article but I totally agree with you Sheri-its time we as TRUE Bible believing Christians start telling it like it is-and if these heretics-and that is what they are-go public-and any preacher is public really, whether online or preaching in their church-why then shouldnt we go public? Holly, let me guess: Youre heterosexual and married or in a relationship with a manmaybe you have kids. Yes and amen. It sounds familiar because it is. BH: Brandon Hatmaker, founding pastor and elder at ANC But that also shouldnt stop us from loving one another. (Take a gander at the Sermon on the Mount if youre puzzled.) I know it is Leviticus but that is the o my thing from ?Leviticus we hear about. And thats the good news that saves lives and supersedes our sexual drives. Speaking of salvation, how does baptism fit into that? Both sides!). But those who are outside God judges. Did FMCUSA release ANC because of their stance on gay marriage? Specialties: Our dream is to have an increasingly positive impact on the South Austin Community. Grow up, Hatmaker. He chased people out with a whip and turned over the tables of the money changers. View Event Website . I know that my Jesus has chosen and includes me. I know a guy with a Phd from a very conservative seminary who loves Jesus with all his heart, but he doesnt believe the earth was created in six days. A church that brought me to Christ for the first time in my life, helped my family know and love God, led by a truly honest, good man, just vanished. 1:1-2. In Mark 16, Jesus Himself says that His true followers will be able to hold deadly snakes and drink poison without harm. It will teach and encourage the practice of wisdom and holiness: finding our happiness and fulfilment is about coming to a right understanding of who we are, and what it means to be mature human being in terms of vulnerability as well as potential. How do we go about that privately if the person does not respond to you? I give God thanks that I am now the VP of a non-profit organization, where each day is a place of healing, care, and love. However, we should do so with respect and love to those who are in error. The couple founded the Austin, Texas, based church along with Legacy Collective, a community foundation aiming to find sustainable housing, prevent child trafficking and provide health care. But Truth of sin doesnt waver. But since when have Christian leaders proven to have a thoughtful handle on what is essential and what is secondary in theology, and what is truly peripheral? [] (The link to the original blog is here.) Of course, most us common folk dont have Jens email [or Rob Bells, or others], but I appreciate the way you make yourself accessible via social media. But you miss the third part of Jesus statement regarding how to deal with the one who sins against you. Yes, an email, phone call, face-to-face communication is the first step, and inviting third parties (two or three witnesses) is the second step. Yet, the Bible is clear that it was. A church plant in 2008, our church has been nomads in a myriad of locations in the South Austin area. The reason Jesus doesnt talk about a same-sex marital covenant is because such a thing doesnt exist in the Bible. So I guess the real question for people with opposit sex attraction is what do you love more. Shes not a heretic. She also said she attempted suicide. Therefore put away from yourselves the evil person. It was a good article. It never says anything different then what he just said it does. And Im not sure what youre getting at in regard to child abuse. In empathy with both the Pro & Anti rhetoric about Personalities in Leadership, this smacks a bit of ideological differences of political alignment. To them, the Scriptures are clear on this issue, and they think the rest of us are in error by treating Sunday like a Sabbath. TP: Tray Pruitt, founding pastor and elder at ANC Whether you agree with Jen on her understanding of homosexuality or not, I can say she is an exceptional follower of Jesus who has given her life in service of the. And maybe that is good. JM reports that membership at ANC has decreased by approximately 40% in four months. One conservative blogger referred to wounded wolves who prey on their followers to lead them astray. Where do you get that any sex outside your strict standard is disapproved of by God? The few times PAUL talks about homosexuality, FYI, he either uses the terms that literally mean pedophilia OR they get lumped in with every other sexual act outside of marriage, including STRAIGHT SEX. In like fashion, conservatives are trying to reason from Scripture why homosexual sex (as well as any sex outside of marriage, including LOOKING at another person with lust in your heart) is damnable sin but thanks be to God we are SAVED in CHRIST from it! Theological self-justification and teaching theological self-justification for what God views in truth as sin is keeping people to falling into the grace of God, and rather falling into self-justification. I belong to a small Baptist denomination in Australia. The gospel is the gospel. To love your neighbor as yourself is not condoning sin or teaching sin is okay. However, most of my Presbyterian friends dont believe or practice this. Do you not judge those who are inside? People like this peddle a watered down (at best) version of Gods word. During these six months, I couldnt sleep, I began to have periodic heart palpitations, and went into a dark place of depression. I know I will forever be grateful to God for the two years I had at that church and the people I met that changed my life for the better. They think the Old Testament God is not the same God of the New Testament or that God changed his mind and has mood swings. I hope your waitisnt suggesting Jesus once chased people with a whip. JM has stated from the pulpit that JH is his boss. High profile people in high profile ministries invite both high profile praise and high profile criticism, with no accountability on the part of those meting out the criticism. But, unless you are without sin, who are any of us to be casting stones at a fellow sojourner in Christ? He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it. In seeking purity, all they do is destroy. The old you have to be tolerant of my intolerance argument. Most respectful comments disagreeing with her stance are deleted. If he refuses to listen to the church, treat him like a Gentile or a tax collector. How bad does it have to get? In my experience, the right time would be just about when you have to be prepared to be ostracised for speaking up against nastiness in the ranks. To understand Paul you *must* read Romans 1 and 2 as a single argument; after all, Romans 2 begins with Therefore. No, Jesus didnt specifically say its wrong to deliberately injure yourself, but you cant love your neighbor if you dont love yourself. Jen Hatmaker and her husband, Brandon, pastor Austin New Church in Texas. And if we encourage people to treat each other as brothers and sisters- simply look at any of the latest sitcoms or a series on Amazon or Netflix brothers and sisters divide, manipulate, lie, hurt and outwit each other. I can ALSO say she is an exceptional follower of Jesus who has given her life in service of the. In the end, people are going to follow their hearts/instincts. But this, I humbly submit as just my opinion. Since when did social media become the first step to hold someone accountable. We are an Open and Affirming congregation in the . If your motivation really is loving correction, its my view that that can only happen fully and effectively in relationship. Typos! 1BN-General. Its Farewell, Jen Hatmaker, Offender #11328. Stop posting if you wish to avoid correction or unfounded hatred. Post-Bulletin, Austin MN. But to God? Let no man divide what God has put together., 7 The proud religious law-keepers said to Jesus, Then why did the Law of Moses allow a man to divorce his wife if he put it down in writing and gave it to her? 8 Jesus said to them, Because of your hard hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives. Yet, I find myself sobbing in my back yard as I listen, hoping no one hears . The same thing happened to Vicky Beeching, here in the U.K (although a lot of her ministry was in the states so she was battered from Many first century believers did, and we dont have real solid evidence that it ever was meant to be retired. Will you explain that that was okay back then but not now? Brett Trap has it going on. Jesus gives the guy a list of commands to keep, and then he tells him, If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me. (NASB) Jesus was very clearly telling the guy how to inherit eternal life. My faith in God is deep. He was talking about divorce, and the only reason he was talking about it in the first place was because the religious leaders were trying to fuck with him JUST LIKE THEY ARE DOING TO JEN HATMAKER. Even our own. What does he know? We must do better. Its just so obvious that the creator God made man for man. Yes, thank you. This is a core gospel issue. Is she officially on staff at ANC in any paid or unpaid position? I read the wounded wolves article and was disturbed by it as well. Was the FMCUSA informed of the Hatmakers doctrinal change before it was publically announced on the internet? There are many of us in the Body that once were insiders that are no longer. I never did post anything publicly about my concerns with her stance, but she never did message me privately so I could have a conversation with her. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner not even to eat with such a person. Jesus was not harsh with sinners; His only harsh words were for wayward religious leaders. The views expressed are my own and do not necessarily represent the official views of Morling College or its affiliates and partners. Its sometimes called the Doctrine of Election. It is neither your job nor your ability to call out someone elses sin. So there is no middle ground here. So, I was without a job, no income; my dream was shattered, the church shut down, and the sheep were scattered. The few times he ALSO talks about marriage, he often talks about the END of marriages and how marriage can be a distraction and how it would be better to end a marriage than continue one if the continuation of a marriage would cause someone to go against Gods plan. Sorry but Jesus said nothing about a man and a woman only, as a matter of you require a man and a woman to make a marriage, no gays allowed they were ASKING him about DIVORCE, and how a man could give a woman a letter and divorce her. But since Hollywood and the media/culture in general are winning in making it look like anyone who thinks it isnt are big bad bullies, well, I guess it makes if the du jour topic st the moment amongst those so called Christians who want to be cool and maybe just maybe more accepted by the world and then hey look Im getting more famous and earning more money-just a thought.. Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Well, thats logical enough. If a writer takes a position which is opposite or in sharp contrast to the majority, that writer will encounter resistance. Never about homosexuality. Im going to respond to just your first sentence. Original post: The Church is judgmentally and systematically abusing people within the Church for issues that are not central to the Gospel this needs to stop! People read Frank Schaffer! He established the church with his then-wife, Jennifer Lynn Hatmaker, in 2008. I think most people on the other side do not want to intentionally be mean or attacking. We see it most clearly in closed communities like Scientology, or in cults like Jonestown or the Branch Davidians, or among fundamentalist churches like Westboro Baptist. Oscar nominee Austin Butler and model girlfriend Kaia Gerber were "making out all night" at W Magazine's annual "Best Performances" party over the weekend, spies told Page Six . But this only provided them with more ammunition and fueled their rightness. The loaded the big guns, and intensified their attack. Thats clear. Look, its not easy Im sure for those trying to deal with this. What comes to mind for me in countering your view is Matthew 18:6-9. Jesus does say if you love me you will keep my commands. Maybe thats an indication for me to say that they are the kind of disciples I want to be. They believe that in order to be saved, you have to be baptizedits a requirement. 15 If your brother sins, go and show him his fault when the two of you are alone. But I could on and on and on with everyone here who says different and all I can do is just respond that you have to answer to God someday just like we all have to over whatever in our life. This nonsensical complaining of yours is unbecoming. I shouldnt have to spell it out. The Bible implores us to reason with one another, and Paul reasoned with the crowds from the Scriptures to prove Jesus as messiah. With only a framework of religion, either The Right or The Left will show that broken Identity. Do you keep the Sabbath holy? Do you? What a obnoxious way to be. And I dont know anyone who doesnt love a little Righteous Anger. If we are gonna be gatekeepers and decide who is in and who is out, why do we ignore so many other passages and only pay attention to the six verses that are considered the clober verses. ChatGPT has got some preachers spooked. Common Confession Does this however mean that people who are homosexual are not welcome to attend church? By saying homosexual practice is not sin, it is a form of self-justification rather than Jesus-justification. Yet, I am still saved. Those old theologians were big on grace and were vehement defenders of the idea that we acquire salvation by Gods grace alone, not by works (I agree with this). Free Methodist Church disengages from ANC. Isnt it interesting, the things that indicate when we should keep away from a sinful brother or sister. We all have to look at the Word and let it weigh on us honestly and listen to what the Spirit may be saying through it. The bible is our guide, our toolbox for seeking a closer walk with him. Look at this in context: Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? And when I say hugs, I mean THE KIND A MAMA GIVES HER BELOVED KID." 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